It’s Never Too Soon to Discuss This Year’s Possible Nominees for the Class of 2025 for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame

After a couple of years of intermittent posts, I have decided to make a concerted effort to get back to writing. Three months ago, I lost my stepfather. Even though I was not close to the man, none of his three legitimate sons would step up to take care of the man. Sure, he made mistakes with his sons and first two wives, but who hasn’t made potentially catastrophically poor decisions in his or her life? Since he had been so good to my mother down the homestretch of her life, I decided to step up to take care of him. At this stage of life, I am fortunate to still have my biological father still alive for me to aid, along with his wife. Both are in their early 90s but relatively healthy. My stepfather, like my mother, had Alzheimer’s and decline was pretty fast. But, he did take much of my time over these couple of years during which I was relatively quiet on here. Fortunately for him, he has crossed the finish line of his life and is hopefully enjoying the fruits of his life on the other side.

Fortunately for you, my readers, I am not here to spout my feelings about the deaths of my mother and her husband in the past six years, nor am I here to celebrate my father and his wife. Oddly enough, I feel like I still have a good five more years with Dad being around since he has taken good care of his once athletic body over the years. On the other hand, his wife has become more frail as the weeks go by. Still, I am not going to dwell on those two either.

Instead, I would love to write about the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. In the whole realm of rock & roll, I perhaps enjoy nothing more than discussing all aspects of this entity. There is so much history tied into that museum that it actually takes a huge bite out of the uniqueness of ALL Hard Rock Cafés and Hotels that, in my mind, the chain has become something of a minor league celebration of the Boomer and Gen X-eras’ favorite form of music and pop culture. If you have not been to Cleveland to visit this structure and are a huge fan of rock music and a bit of a history nut as I am, then you need to put the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame on your bucket list. Personally, I have visited the place three times, once when my now adult boys were in high school and middle school, once when they were in college and high school and finally when my wife and I visited right as we were coming out of the pandemic in 2021. Each and every time we went, all of us were blown away with the artifacts and how they were displayed, in addition to the music soundtrack provided to us as we walked through the beautifully designed museum.

But, perhaps, the most significant aspect of the RRHoF is that there is much to critique about it, especially when it comes to whom is inducted each year. What we do know is that there is a period of time, maybe even right now, when the members of the nominating committee, of which we know little about the membership and the committee’s criteria for membership. But, somehow, the power has been invested into this mix of what I understand is musical experts/critics/writers/professors, industry insiders, musicians (both inductees and non-inductees) and others will come down from their Mount Olympus (probably some high rise in New York City) and present to us, the public, a list of 15-17 names of rock legends as the Nominees for The Rock & Roll Hall of Fame’s Class of Inductees for the current year. I expect the announcement of this years Nominees to be announced anytime between now and early February.

As soon as the Hall announces this year’s list of Nominees, they will open voting for the public to see who this group of you, me and any other person who bothers to log into the Hall’s website in order to cast your five votes for the five acts you feel are most deserving. Now, whenever the Hall decides to end the public voting, our millions of votes will earn our musical heroes a total of one vote for each of the top 5 vote-getters. Our collective vote will be added to those of the Induction Committee, whose membership is also top secret, and those votes from each previous living inductee. Somehow, from all of that data, the Hall will select around five to eight names to be inducted as the Hall’s Class of 2025. Additionally, the committee will add the names of artists, songwriters, producers, engineers, etc., for induction through Musical Excellence and Musical Contributions. That allows for important sidemen and sidewomen who played on a multitude of historical albums and songs to received recognition, along with songwriters who are not artists themselves, the technical people in the studio who helped shape the albums and careers of various inducted artists, artists who played an important role in the evolution of rock & roll as an art, as well as anyone else deemed worthy. Finally, there is an award for musical executives in which they can find their way into the Hall. This award is known as the Ahmet Ertegun Award. Who gets chosen for the self-congratulatory award is not spelled out clearly by the Hall.

Although rock & roll may have seemed like the most democratic of all musical forms in history, I find the Hall stunningly elitist in its induction strategy. That may be due to the fact that Rolling Stone magazine’s founder and longtime editor Jann Wenner was perhaps more impressed with whom he was rubbing elbows than he was public opinion. This nepo baby was elitist to begin with so why not expect to attempt to put that stamp on the Hall, of which he was a founder. But since the controversial circumstances surrounding his ouster as the leader of the Hall, the current management, most of whom came to prominence within the music industry via the initial rise of MTV, are attempting to make the Hall more representative of it’s original vision: to immortalize those musical stars who have been an influence on music and/or gained commercial clout through their body of work. In that respect, the Hall is attempting to change course of a cruise liner, which as you can imagine is a long and tedious process.

If you have been a long-time reader of this blog, you are familiar with my lists of worthy inductees. Honestly, there is such a logjam of brilliant artists who are at least 25 years into a career from the release of their debut single/album that it will take perhaps two decades of big classes to undo the damage Wenner had made to the Hall.

I will be giving you several lists of possible inductees under various categories. I have included the names of rock journalists whom have played an important part in the dissemination of information about each of our favorite artists and disc jockeys and on-air personalities who introduced us to these artists, as well as prominent songwriters, studio wizards, side-musicians, executives and the like, whom I feel should be immortalized for their contributions to this art form known as rock & roll.

At the very end, you will find my 16 artists who I believe will be the nominees for the Class of 2025 for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. Then, out of those 16 artists, I will choose MY Class of 2025.

Musical Excellence or Musical Influence:

  1. Afrika Bambaataa (hip hop pioneer)
  2. Alan Hunter (one of MTV’s original VJs)
  3. Amos Milburn
  4. Ben E. King
  5. Bing Crosby
  6. Blind Lemon Jefferson
  7. Brian Eno (electronic soundscape & noise provocateur)
  8. Buchanan & Goodman (pioneers of the cut-in record)
  9. Cab Calloway
  10. Cameron Crowe (rock journalist, movie scriptwriter and film director)
  11. Casey Kasem (the original voice of ‘American Top 40’)
  12. Celia Cruz
  13. Charlie Parker
  14. Chubby Checker
  15. Chuck Willis
  16. Cliff Richard & the Shadows (the first big stars from the UK)
  17. Connie Francis
  18. Count Basie
  19. Dave Marsh (American rock journalist)
  20. Dick Dale (surf guitarist who pioneered a distorted power chord sound)
  21. Dizzy Gillespie
  22. Django Reinhart
  23. Duke Ellington
  24. Eddie Lang
  25. Ella Fitzgerald
  26. Emmylou Harris
  27. Esther Phillips
  28. Fanny (first all-female band to write their own songs and hit the Top 40)
  29. Fela Kuti (African funkateer)
  30. Frank Sinatra
  31. George Jones
  32. Giorgio Moroder (disco producer)
  33. Glen Campbell
  34. Glenn Miller Orchestra
  35. Gram Parsons/The Flying Burrito Brothers (the originator of the country rock sound of the 70s)
  36. Greil Marcus (American rock journalist)
  37. Harry Nilsson (the songwriter’s songwriter)
  38. Herbie Hancock
  39. Ivory Joe Hunter
  40. Jaan Uhelszki (one of the first female rock journalist)
  41. Jacques Brel
  42. Jan & Dean (surf sound pioneer duo)
  43. JJ Jackson (one of MTV’s original VJ’s)
  44. John Cage
  45. John Coltrane
  46. Johnny Ace (rock’s first headline causality by playing Russian roulette backstage before his show)
  47. Johnny Burnette & the Rock & Roll Trio
  48. Karlheinz Stockhausen
  49. Kris Kristofferson
  50. Kurt Loder (American rock journalist and MTV News anchor)
  51. Kurtis Blow (hip hop pioneer)
  52. Lester Bangs (THE original rock journalist)
  53. Lightin’ Hopkins
  54. Lisa Robinson (one of the first women to break the all-male barrier in rock journalism)
  55. Lonny Donegan
  56. Loretta Lynn (one of the greatest country singer/songwriters)
  57. Love Unlimited Orchestra (the backing band for the great Philly soul artists)
  58. Mark Goodman (one of MTV’s original VJs)
  59. Martha Quinn (one of MTV’s original VJs)
  60. Mary Wells (Motown’s first big star who is being kept out of the Hall by Motown founder Barry Gourdy Jr.)
  61. Memphis Minnie
  62. Merle Haggard
  63. Mississippi John Hurt
  64. Muscle Shoals (the house band for Stax Artists)
  65. Nina Blackwood (one of MTV’s original VJs)
  66. Odetta
  67. Patsy Cline
  68. Paul Revere & the Raiders (despite their dopey stage uniforms, these guys invented punk rock)
  69. Paul Weller (The Jam, The Style Council, solo; known as The Modfather for his role in the birth of Britpop)
  70. Procol Harum
  71. Ravi Shankar
  72. Robert Christgau (America’s academic rock journalist)
  73. Ronnie James Dio (lead singer of Rainbow, Black Sabbath, Dio)
  74. Roy Acuff
  75. Roy Brown
  76. Sarah Vaughan
  77. Scott Joplin
  78. Screamin’ Jay Hawkins (rock’s first shock artist in the 50s)
  79. Serge Gainsbourg
  80. Son House
  81. Sonny Boy Williamson II
  82. Sun Ra
  83. The Carter Family (invented much of country music)
  84. The Clovers
  85. The Crew Cuts
  86. The Crystals
  87. The Dominos
  88. The Four Freshmen
  89. The Funk Brothers (the band responsible for the Motown sound)
  90. The Kingston Trio
  91. The Marvelettes
  92. The Mills Brothers
  93. The Monkees (the first rock stars of the TV age)
  94. The Ravens
  95. The Shangri-La’s (rock’s first bad girls singing group)
  96. The Sonics (60s punk rockers and proto-grunge group)
  97. The Turtles
  98. The Weavers
  99. The Wrecking Crew (the West Coast musicians who backed everyone from Frank Sinatra to the Phil Spector groups to The Beach Boys, Grass Roots, Bread and all the rest)
  100. Thelonious Monk
  101. Tom Lehrer
  102. Tommy James & the Shondells (considered to be a bubblegum group, but were so much more; a huge influence on 80s artists like Joan Jett, Billy Idol and Tiffany)
  103. Townes Van Zandt
  104. C. Handy
  105. Wanda Jackson
  106. Waylon Jennings
  107. Wendy Carlos (an electronic music pioneer)
  108. Wynonie Harris

Backing Bands

Most of the time, the Hall has inducted the leader of a band with the backing people left out in the cold. The best example of this is the induction of Smokey Robinson without The Miracles. However, in 2012, the Hall did induct some backing bands as well as one other backing band in 2014. Those backing bands inducted in 2012 were The Blue Caps (Gene Vincent), The Comets (Bill Haley), The Crickets (Buddy Holly), The Famous Flames (James Brown), The Midnighters (Hank Ballard) and The Miracles (Smokey Robinson), while The E Street Band (Bruce Springsteen) was inducted in 2014. It has now been a decade since the Hall has inducted a backing band. The following is a list of backing bands awaiting their moment.

  1. Big Brother and the Holding Company (Janis Joplin)
  2. Crazy Horse (Neil Young)
  3. Patti Smith Group (Patti Smith)
  4. The Attractions (Elvis Costello)
  5. The Belmonts (Dion)
  6. The Imposters (Elvis Costello)
  7. The JB’s (James Brown)
  8. The Mothers of Invention (Frank Zappa)
  9. The New Power Generation (Prince)
  10. The Revolution (Prince)
  11. The Silver Bullet Band (Bob Seger)
  12. The Spiders from Mars (David Bowie)
  13. The Tennessee Three (Johnny Cash)
  14. The Wailers (Bob Marley)
  15. Wings (Paul McCartney)

I have ranked the artists who deserve to be inducted as performers, though I would continue to *argue that Judas Priest should have been inducted as a /performer instead of being given induction for Musical Excellence. And I am sick and tired of The Hall not having the band that was WAY MORE THAN DISCO Chic in as performers all because the leaders inducted co-leader/guitarist Nile Rodgers for Musical Excellence. In those two cases The Hall did the artists an injustice. There! I said it! And it probably won’t be the last time.

I have ranked these artists by whom I feel should be inducted quickly. Of course, this list will lose some as they are inducted, then gain others as they become eligible for induction. Finally, I have underlined my seven artists who I think should be inducted this year. Rock & roll has always been about the people (fans), so let’s make The Hall hear our roar!

  1. Iron Maiden As one of Heavy Metal’s Mt. Rushmore of artists (along with Ozzy-fronted Sabbath, Priest and Metallica), these guys having been blowing audiences away for nearly half a century with their musical prowess, live stage show and lead singer Bruce Dickinson’s unparalleled vocal acrobatics. Plus, their studio catalog isn’t half bad either.
  2. OutKast – First, OutKast breathed new life into the P-Funk catalog with their innovative samples and rearrangements. Next, they were the first hip hop band to take home the Album of the Year Grammy. Finally, they singlehandedly made the country and the world, for that matter, to take the Atlanta sound seriously.
  3. Mariah Carey – How can the 12th biggest-selling artist of all-time be left out of The Hall for so long? This travesty needs to end now!
  4. Joy Division/New Order – These two bands must be lumped together since New Order rose from the ashes of Joy Division after JD lead singer Ian Curtis’ untimely death on the eve of the band’s first tour of the States. Joy Division were one of the founders of the goth music scene in the UK. A year or so later, the remaining members of Joy Division grabbed a keyboardist/synthesizer player, replaced the dark soundscapes and lyrics, took a left turn into dance music and discovered even more commercial, critic and artist success than Joy Division. Still, one could not exist without the other.
  5. The Smiths – Sure, lead singer Morrissey can be an a-hole most of the time these days as he entered his sixth decade on Earth. But, back when he and guitarist Johnny Marr were on the same page in the mid-80s, no one was making as music as beautifully dramatic as The Smiths. There for a while, I got real tired of all of REM/The Smiths clones that were clogging up alternative/college rock radio back then. Although the band didn’t have more than a cult following on this side of the pond, they are British royalty in their homeland. At least they would be if Morrissey would drop he “get off my lawn!” persona he is currently using.
  6. Jethro Tull – I am not overly fond of Jethro Tull and their music. But, I cannot deny their place in rock history as the progressive band that successfully integrated Celtic folk into rock music with flourishes of the flute (is it “jazz flute”?). Their peak commercial moment rode in the early-Seventies, yet their were toast as punk came around to react against Tull. Still, the band is responsible for the literally snottiest song of rock history with the stellar “Aqualung.”
  7. Pixies – The whole Eighties alternative scene was my thing back in the day. Hair metal never really spoke to me, but college rock had me from the start. So, I looked at Hüsker Dü, The Replacements, Big Star and some others for this spot, but I kept coming back to the fact that if the Pixies would not have existed, then neither would have Nirvana, at least in the LOUD-quiet-Loud trade between their verse and chorus in their songs. That was all the Pixies’ sound.
  8. The Runaways – I am so tired of The Runaways getting snubbed! Were they Glam? Metal? Punk? Pop? Yes, all of them, yet, simultaneously, none of them. What? They were so much more. Yes, they were four teenage girls being exploited, but they had the chops to make it big, like former members Joan Jett and Lita Ford both proved. No Runaways? No Rrrrrttt girl acts, probably no Joan Jett RRHoF induction. No Lita/Ozzy late-80s power ballad duet. The world is so much better because The Runaways existed.
  9. Motörhead – Todd Rundgren once rhetorically replied to an inquiry about Motörhead not being in The Hall with a simple, “They’re NOT in the Hall of Fame?” That speaks for itself. Lemmy and his mates popped handfuls of uppers and played their version of hard rock as fast as they could. In doing so, they took a punk esthetic and pushed it into the hard rock world, which was eventually used by diverse artists as Iron Maiden and the thrash metal bands like the Big Four: Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth and Anthrax, the last three of which should be in The Hall as well.
  10. Styx – Now that Journey and Foreigner are in The Hall were the bands of pop-infused hard rock, Styx is next up. The Chicago band had began as something of a prog rock band whose sound went everywhere at once, but quickly streamlined their power into multiple top 10 albums and top 10 songs. At one point in time, Styx were the most popular band with my age group here in the States. I too was taken with the band at the time and still have a soft spot in my heart for them.
  11. Oasis – My older son and his wife are fired up for this reunion tour, so this might be the year for what was Britpop’s most successful band. I must say that their first two LPs are stunning classics, but I am truthfully noncommittal to all of their other stuff. But those first few years were magical.
  12. Eric B. & Rakim – If you blow past Kurtis Blow, Afrika Bambaataa and maybe Big Daddy Kane and induct them all through the Musical Influence moniker, then the next important artist is this duo. To this day, Rakim is held in high esteem as hip hop’s finest MC.
  13. Wu-Tang Clan – I love to call this ensemble the P-Funk of hip hop. There’s just so many guys that a man with ADHD, like me, just has all kinds of trouble attempting to figure out who is spitting the lyrics right now. But they sure know how to find a good beat and drive that sucka all over NYC, and the world.
  14. Weezer – Everyone’s favorite nerd rock band this side of Cheap Trick is long overdue for their induction. The blue album and Pinkerton are 90s classics. And the rest are all solid. Hell, you can even find something worthwhile on their worst LPs Raditude and Hurley.
  15. Cyndi Lauper – If Cyndi’s career were ONLY “Girls Just Wanna Have Fun,” she just might have swept into The Hall on it alone. But, here first two albums are must-own, while the rest of her catalog is solid and interesting. If nothing else, Cyndi invented Girl Power that was co-opted by the Spice Girls and so many others. Sorry ladies! But you are standing on the shoulders of the great Cyndi Lauper. Don’t believe me? Go watch her nail her line in “We Are the World” time after time in the Netflix documentary about the song’s recording session, with each take improving upon the previous one. Lauper is just otherworldly.
  16. Soundgarden – The third of the Big 4 of grunge, Soundgarden was actually the first to get signed to a major label and to taste a little success. The best singer in Seattle was their own Chris Cornell, God rest his soul. They were so good yet so underappreciated during the grunge years that they are easy to forget if you only listen to Pearl Jam and Nirvana.
  17. Tracy Chapman
  18. Sonic Youth
  19. Smashing Pumpkins
  20. New York Dolls
  21. Sinéad O’Connor
  22. War
  23. Los Lobos
  24. The Replacements
  25. Mötley Crüe
  26. Boston
  27. The B-52’s
  28. Devo
  29. Hüsker Dü
  30. Thin Lizzy
  31. Supertramp
  32. King Crimson
  33. Big Star
  34. The Jam
  35. Chic
  36. Diana Ross
  37. Suzi Quatro
  38. Raspberries
  39. INXS
  40. Alanis Morissette
  41. Jane’s Addiction
  42. Rick James
  43. Daft Punk
  44. Beck
  45. Barry White
  46. Buzzcocks
  47. Little Feat
  48. Television
  49. X
  50. Phish
  51. Iggy Pop
  52. Commodores
  53. Phil Collins
  54. Badfinger
  55. The J. Geils Band
  56. The Guess Who
  57. Warren Zevon
  58. Stone Temple Pilots
  59. Salt N Pepa
  60. Alice in Chains
  61. Emerson, Lake & Palmer
  62. Bad Company
  63. Dead Kennedys
  64. The Carpenters
  65. Black Flag
  66. blink-182
  67. Lauryn Hill
  68. De La Soul
  69. Sleater-Kinney
  70. The White Stripes
  71. KC & the Sunshine Band
  72. Blue Öyster Cult
  73. Sting
  74. Slayer
  75. Sade
  76. Marilyn Manson
  77. (The) Sweet
  78. REO Speedwagon
  79. Slade
  80. Coldplay
  81. Lenny Kravitz
  82. Blur
  83. The Chicks
  84. Captain Beefheart
  85. Joe Cocker
  86. Grand Funk Railroad
  87. Squeeze
  88. XTC
  89. Faith No More
  90. Three Dog Night
  91. Dre
  92. Tool
  93. Pantera
  94. Kansas
  95. Steppenwolf
  96. Mott the Hoople
  97. Nick Drake
  98. Snoop Dogg
  99. Björk
  100. Stone Roses
  101. Living Colour
  102. Pet Shop Boys
  103. Gloria Estefan
  104. Suede
  105. PJ Harvey
  106. No Doubt
  107. Scorpions
  108. Bob Mould/Sugar
  109. Don Henley
  110. The Pointer Sisters
  111. Peter Tosh
  112. Wilco
  113. Liz Phair
  114. Huey Lewis & the News
  115. Billy Idol
  116. “Weird Al” Yankovic
  117. Gorillaz
  118. Ice-T
  119. Culture Club
  120. Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
  121. P!nk
  122. Nas
  123. Tears for Fears
  124. The Black Crowes
  125. The Psychedelic Furs
  126. My Morning Jacket
  127. Joe Jackson
  128. Siouxsie & the Banshees
  129. John Mayer
  130. DMX
  131. No Doubt
  132. D’Angelo
  133. Korn
  134. Fiona Apple
  135. Queen Latifah
  136. Annie Lennox
  137. Hole
  138. Teenage Fanclub
  139. Zapp
  140. Midnight Oil
  141. Selena
  142. Rickie Lee Jones
  143. White Zombie
  144. Drive-By Truckers
  145. Bad Brains
  146. The Jesus and Mary Chain
  147. Violent Femmes
  148. Roberta Flack
  149. Steve Winwood
  150. Boyz II Men
  151. Bryan Adams
  152. John Prine
  153. Labelle
  154. The Breeders
  155. Boz Scaggs
  156. Britney Spears
  157. Linkin Park
  158. Jeff Buckley
  159. Usher
  160. Boogie Down Productions
  161. 50 Cent
  162. My Bloody Valentine
  163. Garth Brooks
  164. Destiny’s Child
  165. Blood, Sweat & Tears
  166. GAP Band
  167. Limp Bizkit
  168. The Roots
  169. The Specials
  170. Meat Loaf
  171. The Cult
  172. The Cranberries
  173. Bauhaus
  174. Marilyn Manson
  175. En Vogue
  176. Ashford & Simpson
  177. Interpol
  178. Echo & the Bunnymen
  179. Jennifer Lopez
  180. Ministry
  181. Pulp
  182. Dinosaur Jr.
  183. Sparks
  184. The Misfits
  185. Arrested Development
  186. Christina Aguilera
  187. The Human League
  188. Garbage
  189. Kylie Minogue
  190. N-SYNC
  191. 10,000 Maniacs
  192. Luther Vandross
  193. Ryan Adams
  194. Grace Jones
  195. Queens of the Stone Age
  196. Gang of Four
  197. Crowded House
  198. Sublime
  199. Jewel
  200. Ted Nugent
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11 thoughts on “It’s Never Too Soon to Discuss This Year’s Possible Nominees for the Class of 2025 for the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame”

    1. I considered both. They are excellent artists & songwriters. But, in my opinion, there are others with deeper resumes who should be inducted before them. But I would never be unhappy if they were nominated and/or inducted.

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  1. Phil Collins definitely deserves to be entered into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. He shares the stage as 1 of only 3 people to have sold over 100,000 records both as a Band and as a solo artist. Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney. #votephilin

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    1. I would NEVER be unhappy about Phil Collins getting inducted. But, after his first three solo albums, my interest in his music waned. But those first three albums set the bar very high for him, regardless whether he actually stole his Eighties drum sound from Peter Gabriel AFTER working on Peter’s third ‘Peter Gabriel’ solo LP from 1980 (as Gabriel alleges). That “new” sound kept the drums and percussion people from crashing any cymbals while playing Gabriel’s songs on the album with the melting face on the cover.

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  2. Hello in regard to my suggestion of Phil Collins. I mistakenly reported 100,000 records sold as a group and solo artist as well as Michael Jackson and Paul McCartney. That number is 100 million as a band and solo artist. Thanks

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  3. Re: Mariah Carey, it’s not just about her sales either. She’s been hugely influential. She was a direct influence on multiple generations of singers (from Beyonce to Kelly Clarkson to Ariana Grande and more), was a huge part in the merging of pop and hip-hop that we still see today, and of course was the driving force in making original holiday music an artistic and commercial force again. She’s easily one of the most influential artists of the past 40 years, so the fact that she’s not yet in the Hall of Fame is a real crime.

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